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B/W Styler 1.0/1.0b

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:07 am
by jrdyerlw
So far I've been pleased with B/W Styler and all it can do.

Would like to know if there are any plans to add ISO 50 to the list, specifically for the infrared function (Kodak HIE = ISO 50).

I know how I can do it otherwise, but just wondered if it will be added in future versions.


P. S. -- up until now, thought PSP X and XI were the only programs that gave true black and white conversion. Others, had to finetune more.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:18 pm
by HaraldHeim
You mean you want a simulation of the Kodak HIE 50 ISO film? I don't think I will add any IR film presets.

IR films can't be simulated like B/W Styler does with normal films. The problem is that B/W Styler has to make up some data in order to make an image look like it was taken with a IR film. So you can't expect a precise simulation of an IR film if it is already quite difficult to make a non-IR image look like some kind of IR image.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:58 pm
by plugsnpixels
Larry, check under Infrared in this chart for some plug-in/action options. What is the alternate method you mentioned you can use?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:10 am
by jrdyerlw
Perhaps I should have posed this as a wishlist for future versions of B/W Styler.

1) It would be nice to have ISO 50 for Infrared, but could be used with other film types.
2) Another wish would be for an digital albumen effect in the tinting. ( PSP XI now has it, but have been looking for that effect for the past two years ---- and still looking for a digital SX-70 manipulation technique.)

Several years ago when I was shooting Kodak HSI I was able to get like a "black and white infrared watercolor" effect on one of my images. Really loved the effect, not so crazy about the image. Until B/W Styler came along, have never been to reproduce that effect film or digital. Thanks to Styler, I was successfully able to do so.

Thanks for creating B/W Styler!


Note to plugsnpixels: I was thinking that virtualPhotographer had ISO 50, but looking at their website it is ISO/ASA 25. Will have to look at the other programs.

Per Kodak website on the Infrared (HSI not HIE): "Normal ISO speed values do not apply. Make trial exposures under typical conditions. With a KODAK WRATTEN Filter No. 25, try a setting of EI 50 (daylight) or EI 125 (tungsten) and bracketed ± 2 stops ", but when I was using it, it was always set for 50. Judging from that statement, then B/W Styler should be fine. May try the customization feature on the ISO to see what happens.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:28 am
by jrdyerlw
One possibility, I have considered:

1) Set B/W Styler ISO to none;
2) Scan a blank HSI negative (if I can find them);
3) Layer it on top of the resulting image.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:55 pm
by HaraldHeim
If send me one or more scanned photos that were done with the HIE film, I see if I can reproduce it somehow. I will have a look at the mentioned albumen effect. Maybe I can add it in a future update.

The ISO 100 - 3200 presets in B/W Styler refer to the film grain. Because ISO 50 film have very small and almost invisible grain, I didn't add a ISO 50 preset.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:40 pm
by Ando
>I will have a look at the mentioned albumen effect. Maybe I can add it in a future update.

Harald please keep BWS the *straightforward tool for BW conversion* related to the classical darkroom it is. For very special effects there's a mass of effect filters available in the web. Thx

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:15 am
by jrdyerlw
Did a google search, again, and found the following tutorial on creating an albumen curve in Photoshop:

Now I can use B/W Styler, then use the curve to apply an albumen tint to the appropriate image.

Will be glad to send you some of my infra-reds as soon as I can locate them.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:14 pm
by HaraldHeim
I think it is possible to create such an albumen effect with the Enhanced method from the Colorize tab sheet in Expert mode. I try to create an albumen preset and add it to the next update.